{"id":607,"date":"2017-02-23T12:04:00","date_gmt":"2017-02-23T11:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/master.k8s.p4.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/press\/607\/rozhovor-eko-farmar-michal-kristufek-o-farmerasme\/"},"modified":"2019-11-06T10:04:18","modified_gmt":"2019-11-06T09:04:18","slug":"rozhovor-eko-farmar-michal-kristufek-o-farmerasme","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/clanok\/607\/rozhovor-eko-farmar-michal-kristufek-o-farmerasme\/","title":{"rendered":"Rozhovor: Eko-farm\u00e1r Michal Kri\u0161t\u00fafek o FarmErasme"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Ekologick\u00fd farm\u00e1r Michal Kri\u0161t\u00fafek <\/a>sa len ned\u00e1vno vr\u00e1til z v\u00fdmenn\u00e9ho pobytu FarmErasmus<\/a>, ktor\u00fd pre farm\u00e1rov z Eur\u00f3py zorganizoval Greenpeace. Cie\u013eom bolo zozn\u00e1mi\u0165 farm\u00e1rov navz\u00e1jom, uk\u00e1za\u0165 im, ako funguje ekologick\u00e9 farm\u00e1r\u010denie v in\u00fdch krajin\u00e1ch a v kone\u010dnom d\u00f4sledku ich aj in\u0161pirova\u0165. S Michalom sme “pokecali” prostred\u00edctvom mailu, aby n\u00e1m porozpr\u00e1val o svojich z\u00e1\u017eitkoch.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

1.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Ahoj Michal, tak \u010do, ak\u00e9 s\u00fa prv\u00e9 dojmy? Spokojn\u00fd?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201e\u00c1no, ve\u013emi. Sp\u00e4tne som si uvedomil, \u017ee sa splnili dva ciele, ktor\u00e9 som si ani takto vopred nezadefinoval, ale pre m\u0148a \u00faplne vystihuj\u00fa podstatu projektu FarmErasmus – Learn&Meet alebo nau\u010di\u0165 sa a stretn\u00fa\u0165. Celkovo to bolo in\u0161piruj\u00face, tak\u00e9 povzbudenie vidie\u0165, ako funguj\u00fa niektor\u00e9 eko-po\u013enohospod\u00e1rske syst\u00e9my a to v\u0161etko zar\u00e1mcovan\u00e9 ve\u013emi pr\u00edjemn\u00fdmi \u013eu\u010fmi – farm\u00e1rmi (hospod\u00e1rmi, sedliakmi \u010di gazdami, nech si ich nazveme ako chceme) z Gr\u00e9cka a Bulharska a skvel\u00fdmi hostite\u013emi z belgick\u00e9ho Greenpeace a v neposlednom rade dom\u00e1cimi belgick\u00fdmi farm\u00e1rmi, u ktor\u00fdch bolo vidie\u0165 s akou v\u00e1\u0161\u0148ou sa hospod\u00e1reniu venuj\u00fa.\u201c<\/p>\n

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Ekologick\u00fd farm\u00e1r Michal Kri\u0161t\u00fafek (v strede).\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

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2.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>\u010co v\u0161etko si teda videl a nav\u0161t\u00edvil?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201eBolo toho po\u017eehnane, celkovo som tam str\u00e1vil \u0161tyri dni a ka\u017ed\u00fd de\u0148 sme mali dve-tri r\u00f4zne zast\u00e1vky. Zhrnul by som to asi do \u0161tyroch celkov. Boli tam klasick\u00e9 hospod\u00e1rstva, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa nie\u010do spolo\u010dn\u00e9 s\u00a0t\u00fdm, ako to bolo vo\u013eakedy aj u n\u00e1s na Slovensku – kombin\u00e1cia pestovania zeleniny, obilia, ovocn\u00fdch stromov a chovu zvierat. T\u00e1to \u010das\u0165 bola pre m\u0148a obzvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 zauj\u00edmav\u00e1, lebo k tak\u00e9mu nie\u010domu smeruje aj moja cesta. \u010ealej to boli ovocn\u00e9 sady, preva\u017ene jablo\u0148ov\u00e9, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa v Belgicku ve\u013ek\u00fa trad\u00edciu, ako som sa dozvedel. Ve\u013emi zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 boli aj dva CSA syst\u00e9my, \u010di\u017ee komunitou podporovan\u00e9 p\u00f4dohospod\u00e1rstvo (community supported agriculture), zalo\u017een\u00e9 na tom, \u017ee odberatelia (okolo 200-300) na za\u010diatku sez\u00f3ny zaplatia farm\u00e1rovi peniaze na jeho hospod\u00e1renie na cel\u00fd rok a za to dost\u00e1vaj\u00fa (alebo si sami pozbieraj\u00fa) ka\u017ed\u00fd t\u00fd\u017ede\u0148 \u00farodu. Je to sp\u00f4sob zdie\u013eania v\u00fdsledku hospod\u00e1renia s farm\u00e1rom – \u010di sa urod\u00ed ve\u013ea alebo m\u00e1lo, \u00faroda sa rozdel\u00ed medzi \u013eud\u00ed. A \u0161tvrt\u00fd celok boli dru\u017estv\u00e1 (bez toho negat\u00edvneho n\u00e1dychu, ak\u00fd maj\u00fa e\u0161te z\u00a0minulosti u n\u00e1s) zdru\u017euj\u00face farm\u00e1rov aj odberate\u013eov (pre nich to m\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 aj sp\u00f4sob invest\u00edcie), zastre\u0161uj\u00face najm\u00e4 distrib\u00faciu, vr\u00e1tane sprac\u00favania napr. v m\u00e4siarstve, pek\u00e1rni, \u010di uskladnenia.\u201c<\/p>\n

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3.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>\u00a0Ako na Teba p\u00f4sobili tieto eko farmy? Funguj\u00fa? Mysl\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee by vedeli fungova\u0165 aj u n\u00e1s na Slovensku?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201eMysl\u00edm, \u017ee odpove\u010f je jasn\u00e1 z mojich predch\u00e1dzaj\u00facich odpoved\u00ed. Viackr\u00e1t bola rados\u0165 po\u010d\u00fava\u0165 (predsa len, sme mimo hlavnej sez\u00f3ny, tak\u017ee prirodzene na poliach a v z\u00e1hrad\u00e1ch e\u0161te toho ve\u013ea nebolo nevidie\u0165) t\u00fdchto \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed \u010dasto cel\u00fd \u017eivot robia na p\u00f4de v s\u00falade s pr\u00edrodou. Aj to je d\u00f4kaz, \u017ee to funguje. H\u00e1dam akur\u00e1t pri CSA syst\u00e9moch s\u00fa tie sk\u00fasenosti mlad\u0161ie, len nieko\u013ekoro\u010dn\u00e9, ale zatia\u013e to ide pekne. Pr\u00e1ve pri nich sa pozastav\u00edm, ke\u010f\u017ee ide o koncept dos\u0165 odli\u0161n\u00fd od \u201ebedni\u010dkovania\u201c vo forme, v akej funguj\u00fa u n\u00e1s (objedn\u00e1vky a platby ka\u017ed\u00fd t\u00fd\u017ede\u0148). Ide o ove\u013ea u\u017e\u0161\u00ed vz\u0165ah, u\u017e\u0161iu v\u00e4zbu medzi farm\u00e1rom a odberate\u013emi. Farm\u00e1r pon\u00faka absol\u00fatnu transparentnos\u0165 v hospod\u00e1ren\u00ed, t.j. tvorbu n\u00e1kladov, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa by\u0165 pokryt\u00e9 tou jednor\u00e1zovou platbou na za\u010diatku sez\u00f3ny. Ko\u013eko bude jeho pr\u00edjem, aby mal z \u010doho \u017ei\u0165 a\u00a0aby cel\u00fd syst\u00e9m CSA bol dlhodob\u00fd a udr\u017eate\u013en\u00fd, ko\u013eko bud\u00fa n\u00e1klady na semen\u00e1 a osivo, mechaniz\u00e1ciu, v\u00fdpomoc at\u010f. Na druhej strane je nevyhnutn\u00e1 ochota odberate\u013eov zdie\u013ea\u0165 s farm\u00e1rom riziko pr\u00edpadnej ne\u00farody. Funguje to najm\u00e4 preto, lebo si \u013eudia v\u00e1\u017eia pr\u00e1cu tak\u00e9hoto farm\u00e1ra, cenia si mo\u017enos\u0165, \u017ee maj\u00fa pr\u00edstup k \u010derstvej ekologicky pestovanej zelenine. Je to win-win situ\u00e1cia, farm\u00e1r sa m\u00f4\u017ee plne s\u00fastredi\u0165 len na dopestovanie zeleniny a ovocia, odberatelia maj\u00fa istotu v zdroji, kvalite a \u010derstvosti. S\u00e1m vid\u00edm zo svojej e\u0161te len za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00facej praxe, \u017ee tak\u00edto \u013eudia s\u00fa u\u017e aj na Slovensku, ot\u00e1zka je, \u010di ich u\u017e je v jednotliv\u00fdch regi\u00f3noch aj potrebn\u00fd po\u010det pre tak\u00e9to CSA.\u201c<\/p>\n

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4.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>Tak\u00e9hoto v\u00fdmenn\u00e9ho pobytu si sa z\u00fa\u010dastnil prv\u00fdkr\u00e1t. \u010co bola najzauj\u00edmavej\u0161ia sk\u00fasenos\u0165?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201e\u00c1no, prv\u00fdkr\u00e1t vo svojej novej “profesii” hospod\u00e1ra. Predsa len za\u010dal som pomerne ned\u00e1vno. O to rad\u0161ej som sa tohto projektu z\u00fa\u010dastnil a je skvel\u00e9, \u017ee Greenpeace pri\u0161iel s tak\u00fdmto projektom aj na eur\u00f3pskej \u00farovni, ke\u010f\u017ee od minul\u00e9ho roku nie\u010do obdobn\u00e9 realizuje aj v r\u00e1mci Slovenska. U n\u00e1s ch\u00fdba dlh\u0161ia kontinuita v hospod\u00e1ren\u00ed kv\u00f4li obdobiu 1948-1989, ktor\u00e9 zni\u010dilo r\u00f4zne formy hospod\u00e1renia v men\u0161om rozsahu, preto je zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 vidie\u0165, ako to funguje niekde, kde dan\u00e9 hospod\u00e1rstvo funguje napr\u00edklad u\u017e p\u00e4\u0165sto rokov (\u00e1no, aj na takom sme boli), ako sa prirodzene men\u00ed a funguje v r\u00e1mci danej dediny. Mo\u017eno najcennej\u0161ie bolo za\u017ei\u0165 to, in\u0161pirova\u0165 sa, nabi\u0165 sa \u010fal\u0161ou motiv\u00e1ciou a nie\u010do sa nau\u010di\u0165 (m\u00e1m skoro desa\u0165 str\u00e1n pozn\u00e1mok). Ak v\u0161ak chce\u0161 nejak\u00fa piko\u0161ku, tak mi napad\u00e1 to, \u010do ma mo\u017eno najviac prekvapilo – \u017ee v Belgicku aj v Bulharsku maj\u00fa \u00faplne in\u00fd pr\u00edstup k rojeniu v\u010del\u00edch \u00fa\u013eov ako je trad\u00edciou v na\u0161om regi\u00f3ne. Zatia\u013e \u010do u n\u00e1s sa ka\u017ed\u00fd v\u010del\u00e1r sna\u017e\u00ed predch\u00e1dza\u0165 vyrojeniu \u00fa\u013ea, v Belgicku a\u00a0v Bulharsku to vn\u00edmaj\u00fa ako prirodzen\u00fd proces, ktor\u00e9mu netreba br\u00e1ni\u0165, lebo regeneruje p\u00f4vodn\u00fd \u00fa\u013e a v Bulharsku maj\u00fa dokonca aj postup, ktor\u00fdm sa sna\u017eia umo\u017eni\u0165, aby sa star\u00e1 kr\u00e1\u013eovn\u00e1 so svojou \u010das\u0165ou \u00fa\u013ea priamo nas\u0165ahovala preletom do nov\u00e9ho \u00fa\u013ea. E\u0161te mi napad\u00e1 ako zauj\u00edmavos\u0165 koncept Terre-en-vue (“Zem na doh\u013ead”), ktor\u00fd formou zdru\u017eenia pe\u0148az\u00ed od s\u00fakromn\u00fdch investorov kupuje p\u00f4du, ktor\u00e1 je v Belgicku ve\u013emi drah\u00e1 a mnoh\u00ed farm\u00e1ri nemaj\u00fa peniaze na jej k\u00fapu, a n\u00e1sledne t\u00fato p\u00f4du d\u00e1va do komer\u010dn\u00e9ho n\u00e1jmu ekologicky p\u00f4sobiacim farm\u00e1rom fakticky na neur\u010dito – dokedy bud\u00fa na nej ochotn\u00ed hospod\u00e1ri\u0165 ekologicky. Je tak\u00e9 osvie\u017euj\u00face po\u010du\u0165 potom od dan\u00e9ho farm\u00e1ra, \u017ee je r\u00e1d, \u017ee plat\u00ed nie mal\u00e9 n\u00e1jomn\u00e9, lebo si je vedom\u00fd, \u017ee aj to prispieva k \u00faspe\u0161nosti tohto konceptu a tak pom\u00f4\u017ee \u010fal\u0161\u00edm farm\u00e1rom dosta\u0165 sa k\u00a0p\u00f4de.\u201c<\/p>\n

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5.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>Ke\u010f si odch\u00e1dzal na FarmErasmus, tak si sa chcel nau\u010di\u0165 konkr\u00e9tne veci, ktor\u00e9 by si si mohol prenies\u0165 do svojej praxe. Splnilo sa toto Tvoje o\u010dak\u00e1vanie?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201eKtovie, ke\u010f za\u010dnem s chovom v\u010diel, mo\u017eno pr\u00e1ve vysk\u00fa\u0161am nebr\u00e1ni\u0165 rojeniu. Odn\u00e1\u0161am si aj p\u00e1r web linkov, ktor\u00e9 mi m\u00f4\u017eu pom\u00f4c\u0165 pri zh\u00e1\u0148an\u00ed ekologicky pestovan\u00fdch semien \u010di mechaniz\u00e1cie z druhej ruky. Je p\u00e1r \u010fal\u0161\u00edch konkr\u00e9tnych poznatkov, ktor\u00e9 sk\u00f4r \u010di nesk\u00f4r vysk\u00fa\u0161am. Napr\u00edklad sp\u00f4soby usklad\u0148ovania jab\u013ak \u010di ako pestova\u0165 ekologicky obilie (podstatn\u00e1 \u010das\u0165 s\u00fa medziplodiny a potom siatie do \u0161ir\u0161\u00edch riadkov ako je be\u017en\u00e9, \u010do umo\u017e\u0148uje ple\u010dkovanie, pri\u010dom druh\u00e9 ple\u010dkovanie je u\u017e aj s v\u00fdsevom \u010fateliny). Nakoniec v\u0161ak za d\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161\u00ed pova\u017eujem ten celkov\u00fd dojem, ktor\u00fd som u\u017e pop\u00edsal. H\u00e1dam len s t\u00fdm doplnen\u00edm, \u017ee pre m\u0148a bolo ve\u013emi zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 po\u010du\u0165 od \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed pestuj\u00fa zeleninu aj s prihliadnut\u00edm na z\u00e1sady permakult\u00fary, \u017ee aj tak\u00e9to pestovanie znamen\u00e1 ve\u013ea manu\u00e1lnej roboty. M\u00e1m toti\u017e pocit (mo\u017eno nespr\u00e1vny), \u017ee niekedy sa u n\u00e1s permakult\u00fara propaguje a vn\u00edma ako sp\u00f4sob, ktor\u00fd ke\u010f urob\u00edte spr\u00e1vne, tak v\u00e1m v\u0161etko bude r\u00e1s\u0165 prirodzene, harmonicky a takmer bez pr\u00e1ce. A po\u010das tohto pobytu som kone\u010dne videl, \u010do to znamen\u00e1 pestova\u0165 permakult\u00farne pre farmu, ktor\u00e1 z\u00e1sobuje zeleninou okolo tristo \u013eud\u00ed, a nie len ma\u0165 dom\u00e1cu permakult\u00farnu z\u00e1hradu \u010di tzv. jedl\u00fd tr\u00e1vnik. Mal som ten pocit, \u017ee – aha, tak takto.\u201c<\/p>\n

6.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>\u00a0\u010co ostatn\u00ed farm\u00e1ri, ako vn\u00edmali FarmErasmus oni? Boli tam aj konven\u010dne pestuj\u00faci farm\u00e1ri?<\/strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201eV\u0161etci tento projekt vn\u00edmame ve\u013emi pozit\u00edvne a aj ke\u010f m\u00e1me r\u00f4zne v\u00fdchodisk\u00e1 a podmienky, pre ka\u017ed\u00e9ho tam boli aj konkr\u00e9tne prospe\u0161n\u00e9 poznatky. Okrem toho, zauj\u00edmavo sa n\u00e1m tam rozvinuli aj diskusie priamo medzi nami “n\u00e1v\u0161tevn\u00edkmi”, tak\u017ee v\u00fdmena sk\u00fasenosti prebiehala aj na tejto \u00farovni. Nebol tam \u017eiadny konven\u010dne pestuj\u00faci farm\u00e1r, v\u0161etci pestuj\u00fa \u010di chovaj\u00fa ekologicky, \u010di u\u017e \u00a0certifikovane alebo nie.\u201c<\/p>\n

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\u00a07.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>Maj\u00fa tak\u00e9to pobyty zmysel? Nemali by sme na ne posiela\u0165 aj politikov, aby videli, \u017ee pestova\u0165 sa naozaj d\u00e1 aj v s\u00falade s pr\u00edrodou a bez ton pestic\u00eddov?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201eJasn\u00e9, ur\u010dite maj\u00fa zmysel. Vidie\u0165, za\u017ei\u0165, vn\u00edma\u0165 priamo na mieste, je in\u00e9, ako po\u010du\u0165 \u010di \u010d\u00edta\u0165. Viem si predstavi\u0165, \u017ee ak sa n\u00e1jdu politici otvoren\u00ed rozpr\u00e1va\u0165 o t\u00fdchto veciach, pom\u00f4\u017ee vz\u00e1jomn\u00e9mu dial\u00f3gu, ke\u010f uvidia tak\u00e9to hospod\u00e1rstva a porozpr\u00e1vaj\u00fa sa s \u013eu\u010fmi v nich p\u00f4sobiacimi, napr\u00edklad aj o tom, ak\u00fd v\u00fdznam m\u00f4\u017ee men\u0161ie hospod\u00e1rstvo znamena\u0165 pre \u017eivot v dedine s nadv\u00e4znos\u0165ami ako pek\u00e1re\u0148, spracovanie ovocia a zeleniny, re\u0161taur\u00e1cia at\u010f. Bolo by skvel\u00e9, ak by potom \u0161t\u00e1t zlep\u0161il podmienky podnikania pre mal\u00fdch podnikate\u013eov. Mo\u017eno by to mohla by\u0165 aj jedna z\u00a0ciest, ako pom\u00f4c\u0165 oblastiam s vysokou nezamestnanos\u0165ou, nerie\u0161i\u0165 len mamutie investi\u010dn\u00e9 projekty, ale vytvori\u0165 tak\u00e9 podmienky, aby \u013eudia mohli a boli dostato\u010dne motivovan\u00ed si mnoh\u00e9 probl\u00e9my vyrie\u0161i\u0165 sami.\u201c<\/p>\n

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S\u00a0ekologick\u00fdm farm\u00e1rom Michalom Kri\u0161t\u00fafkom sa zhov\u00e1rala hovorky\u0148a Greenpeace Slovensko Miroslava \u00c1belov\u00e1.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

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Ekologick\u00fd farm\u00e1r Michal Kri\u0161t\u00fafek sa len ned\u00e1vno vr\u00e1til z v\u00fdmenn\u00e9ho pobytu FarmErasmus, ktor\u00fd pre farm\u00e1rov z Eur\u00f3py zorganizoval Greenpeace. Cie\u013eom bolo zozn\u00e1mi\u0165 farm\u00e1rov navz\u00e1jom, uk\u00e1za\u0165 im, ako funguje ekologick\u00e9 farm\u00e1r\u010denie v in\u00fdch krajin\u00e1ch a v kone\u010dnom d\u00f4sledku ich aj in\u0161pirova\u0165. S Michalom sme „pokecali“ prostred\u00edctvom mailu, aby n\u00e1m porozpr\u00e1val o svojich z\u00e1\u017eitkoch.\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":30,"featured_media":608,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ep_exclude_from_search":false,"p4_og_title":"","p4_og_description":"","p4_og_image":"","p4_og_image_id":"","p4_seo_canonical_url":"","p4_campaign_name":"","p4_local_project":"","p4_basket_name":"","p4_department":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[19],"p4-page-type":[16],"class_list":["post-607","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-zmen","tag-jedlo","p4-page-type-clanok"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/607","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/30"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=607"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/607\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":614,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/607\/revisions\/614"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/608"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=607"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=607"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=607"},{"taxonomy":"p4-page-type","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/slovakia\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/p4-page-type?post=607"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}