{"id":3775,"date":"2018-03-01T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-03-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www-prod.greenpeace.org\/usa\/campaign-updates\/3775\/why-race-matters-when-we-talk-about-the-environment\/"},"modified":"2024-11-20T18:35:02","modified_gmt":"2024-11-20T18:35:02","slug":"why-race-matters-when-we-talk-about-the-environment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/usa\/why-race-matters-when-we-talk-about-the-environment\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Race Matters When We Talk About the Environment"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class='p4subtitle'>An interview with Dr. Robert Bullard<\/span><br \/><span class='p4descriptive_paragraph'>When the father of environmental justice speaks, we listen. That\u2019s why I interviewed Dr. Robert Bullard to hear why race is always the most significant factor behind injustice of any kind, and who he sees as the new leaders pushing equality to the forefront of the environmental movement.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure class='wp-block-image size-large p4featured_image'><img src='https:\/\/storage.googleapis.com\/planet4-usa-stateless\/2024\/11\/1f81a1ef-bullard-closeup-from-houston-chronicle-article-2013-1.jpg' alt='BULLARD' \/><figcaption class='wp-element-caption'>Dr. Robert Bullard \u2014 scholar, activist, and the father of environmental justice. \u00a9Robert Bullard<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Within the mainstream green movement, there is an important distinction between protecting the environment and attaining equal access to healthy air, water,\u00a0and land. While communities in both camps often dovetail \u2014 sharing similar goals and outcomes \u2014 the effects of institutionalized racism and access have forced people of color and marginalized communities to approach environmental advocacy in vastly different ways. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the 1980\u2019s a new wave of activism began to take shape to address the systemic problem of an environmental movement that, whether consciously or not, had separated the desire to protect the planet from deeply ingrained race and class issues so often exploited by weak environmental protections. Grassroots organizers, taking the cue from the hard-won tactics of the civil rights era, started the environmental justice movement to bridge this divide.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Over the years, these activists have had to fight not only against toxic pollution dumps or the demolition of their neighborhoods for oil refineries \u2014but in many ways, they&#8217;ve had to continually reinforce how race is deeply intertwined in these problems and can no longer exist as mutually exclusive efforts. Racism permeates every aspect of society from housing to education; from criminal justice to, of course, the environment. And while many successes and strides have been achieved, there is still much to be done \u2014 and learned \u2014 as we fight for the protection of the environment for <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">all<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We wanted to unpack some of these issues and who better to help us than Dr. Robert Bullard: the father of environmental justice. As an activist, scholar, and one of the leading crusaders for environmental equality, Dr. Bullard has a thing or two to say about where we\u2019re at as a society, how to be an activist in a complex world, and what\u2019s needed now in the fight for true environmental justice.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lauren Reid: In your view, why does race matter when we talk about the environment?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Robert Bullard:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think it matters when we deal with the environment because the environment impacts everything\u2014 where we <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">live<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, where we <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">work<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, where we <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">play<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, where we <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">learn<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and where we <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">worship<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. When certain populations are somehow provided less protection from say pollution, it\u2019s because of race. Or at different times when locally unwanted land use is targeted for different reasons, like refineries and pipelines, it\u2019s because of race and this becomes an issue around justice. Protection should not be distributed because of the color of your skin. Everyone deserves a clean, healthy, sustainable and livable environment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s why race matters.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>LR: What do you see as the biggest threat(s) to true environmental justice and equality in the U.S. today?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>RB:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think the biggest hurdle we face is to convince policy and decision makers that everyone has a right to live in an environment where laws are applied equally across the board. Look, our society isn\u2019t equal and the people with power or money get more protection \u2014 the majority of our population doesn\u2019t live near chemical plants or on the fence line of these dangerous places, so people don\u2019t often believe it when our communities point it out. We\u2019re trying to convince people that environmental justice and racism is real and they don\u2019t realize that until they see if for themselves.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There\u2019s a kind of denial and disbelief in it \u2014 There are still people who think you can see all races in the same way when we talk about the environment, but it\u2019s simply not the case. Some communities have the wrong complexion for protection, and that\u2019s not just a bumper sticker.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Textbook case of <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/environmentalracism?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#environmentalracism<\/a>: In 46 States, People Of Color Deal With More Air Pollution Than White People Do, Study Finds <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/1NZ97cE7Vk\">https:\/\/t.co\/1NZ97cE7Vk<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Robert D. Bullard (@DrBobBullard) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DrBobBullard\/status\/968931823148519427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 28, 2018<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>LR: Do you see mass action and organizing playing an important role in pushing for lasting change regarding environmental justice? What have you witnessed as some of the most effective ways people have addressed issues of environmental justice in their own communities?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>RB:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I am a teacher at heart. Teachers have an impact in trying to disseminate information and connect the dots, and our greatest weapon is education. We need to get communities moved to action but having people informed with information and facts, having all those tools in our toolkit to tackle this problem \u2014 such as technology, legal, social media, and all those tactics employed in the past, including those from the civil rights movement, are needed. It\u2019s not about adopting one strategy but using the most appropriate technique in the moment to carry environmental justice forward. We need more and different kinds of avenues and hooks to hang the movement on in the future and not be afraid to use them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mass protest works because when you hear people say, \u201cwe don\u2019t see anyone out there!\u201d \u00a0the response is that we show lots of people out here protesting \u2014 and now with mass media, people can witness a constituency taking the time to voice their opinion and joining in solidarity with others.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s why it\u2019s important to show up. To vote. To stand for something and make sure people understand we aren\u2019t sitting on the fence. This is for justice, for equity, and to show that all communities need to be protected and that none are seen as \u2018less than\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><div id=\"attachment_64671\" style=\"width: 847px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-64671\" class=\" wp-image-64671\" src=\"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/static\/planet4-usa-stateless\/2024\/11\/ab1775c2-voting-rights-act-march-in-atlanta-ga-2006.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"837\" height=\"559\" \/><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-64671\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dr. Bullard marching for the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act in Atlanta, GA 2006.\u00a0\u00a9Robert Bullard<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>LR: Are environmental justice efforts more threatened under the new administration, or are these issues so deeply entrenched in the U.S. that other facets of our society currently present greater hurdles?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>RB:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think what we\u2019ve seen over the last decades is that environmental justice efforts take two steps forward and one step back. The movement and strategy didn\u2019t come out of the government, it came out of communities that struggled for justice, no matter which administration was in power. Trump is threatening communities on the fence line, including the regulations that have been codified for decades\u2014 for example, the Clean Air Act. It\u2019s not black air or Hispanic air\u2014it\u2019s AIR. Dismantling long-standing regulations is not just an issue for people of color, but it will affect a lot of people, and it\u2019s important whenever any government entity attacks the foundation of environmental protection, it\u2019s a moment to circle the wagon and bring us closer together. Bring national and grassroots groups together. With this administration, it\u2019s like anything can be somehow compromised in an effort to please the industry. We need to protect the EPA \u2014 we can\u2019t compromise on that, not for our children. Right now, it\u2019s just more in our face, more of a slam dunk but these struggles are much longer than 4 years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>LR: It strikes me that much of the rhetoric in the environmental movement is to address environmental problems in a way that suggests \u2018everyone is in the same boat\u2019, struggling to fully recognize how race, along with social and economic injustice, is a fundamental component to environmental disparity. The city of New Orleans is a prime example of this from Hurricane Katrina to now. Have you seen this in your own work and can you speak to a way in which this mentality can be tackled and changed in the future?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-64687 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/static\/planet4-usa-stateless\/2024\/11\/0b9f0c8e-bullardmacro.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"445\" height=\"445\" \/><\/p>\n<p><b>RB:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think a lot flows from the fact that race is so intertwined in our society and it\u2019s a difficult topic to talk about\u2014 even for progressives and our allies in environmental justice movement. I think we must try to explain <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">why<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> low-income and communities of color get more than their fair share of pollution and to look at race and class as part of this issue \u2014 but let\u2019s not reduce everything to poverty. Race trumps class when it comes to pollution. Race was the most powerful factor of why toxic facilities were placed in different areas. Black people are 1 \u00bd times more likely than whites to be in places with pollution, including the Latino population. How can that be? It\u2019s because racism permeates every aspect of society\u2014 housing, parks and playgrounds, education \u2014 every aspect. For people who live in communities who don\u2019t have the same environmental challenges, they don\u2019t really understand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">America is segregated and so is pollution. When you try to unpack it, when people suggest, \u2018pollution is following poverty, not racism\u2019, it\u2019s wrong. People get dumped on because of the color of their skin, and that is racism. It\u2019s hard to see the nuance, and it\u2019s easy to dismiss race and inequality when talking about the environment. Racism is such an overarching aspect in the U.S. that when you talk about it and point it out, the knee-jerk reaction is often to reference Black Lives Matter and say, \u2018we all matter\u2019! But it\u2019s not that no one else matters \u2014 it\u2019s that black lives are the ones to deal with police brutality and the criminal justice system. We <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">must<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> do better going forward.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>LR: What can be learned from the avenues of change taken during the civil rights movement (i.e. legal, political, mass organizing) that can help inform future environmental justice initiatives in the future?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>RB: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think it\u2019s important that we build on previous movements, ones that grew out of civil rights, peace and justice, and student movements. What they all have is a strong youth and student component \u2014 they\u2019re the ones that fuel movements. I see more and more young people willing to not allow wedge issues to get in the way, and they converge and work on social justice issues, labor, women\u2019s rights, criminal justice. They all breathe air and eat food, and if they have kids, they don\u2019t want to be playing in a park in the shadow of a refinery.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Our Children&#39;s Trust lawsuit gives me hope for a greener future <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/HyKm0U5YhZ\">https:\/\/t.co\/HyKm0U5YhZ<\/a> via <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NCRonline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@ncronline<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Robert D. Bullard (@DrBobBullard) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DrBobBullard\/status\/961022249963806721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 6, 2018<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s important to converge in how we redefine the \u2018environment\u2019 and bring us all together. It gives me hope, bringing in young leaders that can carry this struggle, this movement, as we face some major existential challenges, like climate change. We will see how this will touch on every progressive movement that goes after justice for all. These young people will come into their own as we settle into another role, whether that be in an advisor or elder role. We need to allow them to do what they know and we need to assist where needed\u2014that\u2019s how we\u2019ll stay focused. 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